Vito Mancuso interview with L'Espresso.
Ho letto questo interessantissimo articolo pubblicato su L'ESPRESSO del 22-04-2010, e mi sembra in tema con i suoi ultimi two places. Agrees with the thesis Vito Mancuso?
Francesca Scacco the pope Daniela Minerva pedophilia scandal. The line's too conservative Pope. The loss of confidence of the faithful. The closure to women. The Catholic Church is undergoing a profound crisis. Word of the theologian. Interview with Vito Mancuso is the blurred figure of a pope old minutes. All too often out of tune with a world that does not understand, that out of hand, which seems of little interest. In five years of his pontificate, Benedict XVI led his church into a realm that no longer exists. He turned his back to the big questions of modernity. He has disappointed millions of Catholics. To cherish the intelligence of a few ancient looking in his theology a life-jacket from the world. Malta also tell the tears of this, not only his grief for the "sinful Church." Because, as Benedict celebrated, and sometimes it does, put in its Latin physically turning back to the faithful, the Church Universal is frayed humiliated by the scandal of pedophile priests, deafened by too many dissonant voices in Africa that fails to demand celibacy his priests, young people disoriented by an incongruous sexual morals, the bishops of Europe torn apart by a teaching which leans towards the lefevriani and ignores the dialogue with the Lutherans. And many are now talking openly of a labor which could not recompose. Among them the theologian Vito Mancuso, a professor at the University Vita-Salute, Milan, if that explains it well.
Professor Mancuso, Pope Benedict XVI is at the center of a storm that led to open an identity crisis without precedent, at least in our time. Why? And with what consequences? "This uneasiness linked to the scandal of pedophilia is something unique in the history of the Church, at least the past 200 years. So great a danger of loss of credibility there never was, the moral stature of the pope has never been so compromised . And that's what counts, which anchors the souls of the faithful. It gives strength, to paraphrase Stalin, the divisions of the pope. "
Why exploded today? " Why could no longer remain silent, conceal, cover up. It was Bishop Stephan Ackermann, Bishop of Trier, head of the German Bishops' Conference to use the words "hiding" and "coverup" and Mutien André-Léonard, Bishop of Brussels and Primate of Belgium, spoke of a "guilty silence". A quiet place by the letter of the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 1991 in which he covered the scandal. It is true that the decisions these days are unexceptionable, but dramatically later.
The scandal detonated a deeper crisis or closes itself? "Certainly there is an ongoing conflict enormous. We have to understand what is the historical period in which you place the papacy of Benedict XVI: the Vatican Council II, held between 1962 and 1965. The Council has laid the groundwork for close four centuries of Counter-Reformation, centuries in which the Catholic identity is conceived in opposition to the world, leaving out new ideas and experiences of the faithful, and open the time of the Reformation, during which the Catholic identity is built with the world, with real life of people. In order to assess the work of Benedict XVI have to start from here, by objective criteria that he himself indicated when he said that the orientation of his pontificate was the implementation of Vatican II, which he described as a compass to orient in the Third Millennium. But if this is the objective criterion, I do not think that the budget of the pontificate is exciting. And the data show the gradual loss of confidence of the faithful: a Catholic in Germany in four is thinking of leaving the Church. The same collapse occurs in the U.S.. Pope Benedict is a Church that is becoming a club for a few. "
What were the worst mistakes of his pontificate? " We think the relationship with other religions is a strategic front. Today the pope is above all to be called a great master of spirituality: our world needs it to merge, harmonize religions and promote peace. Instead, in everyone's eyes as, in the five years of his papacy, Ratzinger, the relationship with Islam has not made progress. As relations with the Jews is worse: not a day goes by that we do not have concrete signs. Finally, it is significant that the pope has never met the Dalai Lama, who has failed twice in recent years in Rome and John Paul II had met nine times. We say that this has happened to prevent the persecution of Catholics in China, but one of two things: either John Paul was a fool, and exposed the Chinese faithful, Benedict or feels a deep unease with a genuine interreligious dialogue. "
Hans Kung calls a Vatican III to do? "To implement the Vatican. But why say Vatican III? Kinshasa could not be Rio or I?".
Wherever known, a material that would be! "To change the government of the Church and to ensure that the monarchy medieval, Tridentine, centered on the pope can be overcome by an effective power of the bishops' conferences. Mimetic how was the college of the Apostles where Peter was indeed the first, but Paul could oppose the front. "
Who is Paul now? "There is not. And this was the major limitation of the pontificate of John Paul II, who selected the leadership of the Church on the basis of loyalty to himself and Rome. So there are strong voices and new applicants for the opening to the world. "
That is to ask: what would change for a new Council? " When men are isolated struggle to express dissenting views than the official doctrine , feel the discomfort but just can not come out. The event allows the college to express discomfort. And individuals to speak without being accused of heresy, apostasy. This is the problem of the Church: every little dissent is treason, and the Council is instead the place where dissent can be expressed. "
suggests that the majority dei cattolici non si riconosce più nel magistero? "L'anima cattolica nel nostro tempo è divisa. Il problema di fondo è il rapporto tra la fede cristiana e il mondo come ha cominciato a delinearsi a partire dall'epoca moderna. Bisogna tornare al 17 febbraio del 1600".
È un po' lontano. "Ma è il giorno del rogo di Giordano Bruno, l'inizio ideale della chiusura che ci angustia oggi. L'inizio del tempo nel quale la Chiesa ha chiuso la porta alle idee nuove. Il Concilio Vaticano II ha invertito la rotta aprendo alle possibilità introdotte dal progresso politico-sociale e scientifico. Così oggi i cattolici sono divisi tra coloro i quali capiscono che il dettato dottrinale è contrario the spirit of the times, and request that it be reviewed by selecting as the last entry in the driving experience they make in their lives and those who, instead, they want to be the doctrinal acquisitions accumulated over the centuries to guide action, and are in heroic confrontation with the world. Here: Benedict XVI is unable to see that the Catholic soul is made up of these two dimensions.
're talking about a schism? "The schism is born, that Pope Benedict is the only legitimate conservative line. And this is not what a pope should do. "
The government of the Church, interreligious dialogue are serious issues, but what is constantly laid on the table is the incongruity of the sexual morality of the Church. On which, however, the Council has been silent. "The major limitation of Paul VI in the conduct of Vatican II was to remove all'assise reconcile the matter, the ability to react. While sexual morality is big part of the Magisterium of the Church. Perhaps Pope Montini had the very concrete fear takes him away from tradition was too strong and devastating. Whatever he eliminated from the agenda of the council and called for a commission of experts to decide on contraception. But when they reached the results that were supportive of the use of condoms, put them aside. "
Not only that, he issued Humanae Vitae in which denied the legitimacy of contraception. We are still there? "Today the Catholic Church has renewed a theology for the social doctrine and, on economics, finance, immigration issues can be an effective teacher of humanity. But he has a theology back on of individual morality. So when talking about sexuality is unable to interpret the spirit of our times, and can not even be a teacher for the same Catholics. "
There is a question of women in the Church? "Of course. And as I said earlier updates. It is now clear that women are the protagonists, in politics, the world of work, even in the police. The Catholic Church is noted as an exception in this regard. And so can not speak to our times: the feminine sensibility could cause an epochal revolution would lead to fresh air. But not only leaving out women, the Church is unfaithful to Jesus that, unlike the rabbinical practice time, greatly favored women. The Gospel of Luke says that with him were not only 12, but many women in a mixed apostolic council. It was the women to see it for the first resurrection. To exclude the Catholic Church has betrayed its founding. "
The Church is built like a world without women, and unmarried pastors. There is a link between celibacy and pedophilia? " It is difficult think that there is. On the other hand it is unfair to reduce everything to that. Statistics show that most acts of pedophiles in the home, married men. On celibacy, however, it should say something more concrete: the use? Or rather a serious crisis of vocations to download on an overworked priests not good for anybody? Priests are lacking and are purchased the parishes who come to serve 30 000 people. The priest may thus exercise his ministry should be to the care of individuals? Of course not. Looking at these things, you make decisions that should have at heart the true good of the Church. "
In this perspective, the proximity of the Reformed Churches is enormous. "It should not just get to that? We should not reach unity in our view to taking the good elements that Protestant churches have done? And vice versa. I believe that the figure of the pope is very important in our world, we need a figure of synthesis that guarantees the unity, and the Protestant world, plagued by constant proliferation of new churches, he would gain from a figure of this kind. Do not be afraid "
(April 22, 2010)
Cara Francesca,
in line with what I said in the Post on "Church and pedophilia", personally, find the figure of Paul (called by Vito Mancuso) in Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, of course with all the limitations imposed by the pyramidal structure of the Catholic Church. These limits mean that the other bishops, and bishops can not share too much publicly the ideas of Martin, to avoid serious disciplinary consequences. And report back to the words of Martini "Today, when our task is to young people and abuse them so outrageously contradict each other, we can not flinch, but we must look for new ways." According to Martin, "must be asked of the key issues" and between "must be subjected to reconsider the requirement of priestly celibacy as a form of life." Should also repeat the "core issues of sexuality with today's generation, with the humanities and the teachings of the Bible "because only" an open discussion may give authority to the Church, bringing to redress the failures and enhance the service of the Church towards men. "
Cardinal Martini was, in fact, the last conclave, one of the few not appointed by John Paul II, and in this I agree with Vito Mancuso's view that the conservative turn has been strongly supported by the previous pope.
From here, we can not agree that a new council would be desirable also to add that part in the discussion of sexuality was not addressed by the will of Paul VI, and now the light of neuroscience, genetics and Psychosomatics, could be framed in its proper frame HUMAN.
course it's hard to imagine that a council can hold it like the current pope. Yet, while the Roman Curia on time, the choice of John XXIII to call another council seemed premature, but now that the development and the cultural and scientific progress achieved ever-increasing acceleration, the Catholic Church to keep pace with time, COUNCILS should hold much more frequently than it did in the past. Or, create a structure of the Church more open to discussion and dialogue, the bishops elected by the community and not appointed from above, as indeed they did in the past.
From the point of neuroscience, including the dialogue with the Protestant churches, to Islam, the Jews and other Eastern religions, may find new potential (remember, not least between the theories of Maturana and Varela that would help to understand the differences in conceptions of reality).
This also leads me to agree on the importance of the figure of a pope. A pope who should be in the first place, which brings together SHEPHERD LOVING THE FLOCK (returning to the fold and also chasing the black sheep), instead of stress and create DISTINGUISHED doctrinal and theological in nature, as is happening today.
The question of the role of women in the church is to be reviewed at the base. Women have been shown to have such capacity and quality to compete with men, and the same goes for gays. The sexual differences are anachronistic (it is now clear from the scientific point of view), so that in history there have certainly been bishops, cardinals and pope gay. Giving, then, that women have the opportunity to become "bishops" would not be wrong. The past counts for little, even that which has operated in the same Christ, decidedly male. Despite this, Christ was very open to the role of women, demonstrate progress. It is up to us to continue on this path and not the other way back, as was done by the successors of Peter.
The second part of the third secret of Fatima, which is still secret (see: http://nuoveteorie.blogspot.com/2009/11/il-terzo-segreto-di-fatima-e-la-nuova.html) prefigures the end of Church doctrine and dogma. And in this vision of the Church should evolve, gradually, to avoid the traumatic shocks. Evolve in the sense of abandon increasingly Hellenistic philosophical basis and focus on the basics of the Gospel message. So, not a rule under strict rules of doctrine, but focus on the moral content that must adapt to our humanity, as prey to the very words of Christ in response to the scribe who asked him "what to do to have eternal life. " Fear of individual interpretations that could lead to heresy, and the will to preserve the supposed primacy of Peter (quite debatable localist interpretation of Rome), has led the church in the past CODE ALL in a spiritual sense, dogmatic, and today more and more scientific progress makes it less credible and far from reality as experienced such a doctrine.
Best wishes
Alessandra